Curiosity-Driven Leadership: The Operational Edge 
EP301 Profit With A Plan Podcast
Released May 6, 2025

Guest: Jon Bassford, Operations Expert, founder of Lateral Solutions
Host: Marcia Riner, Business Growth Strategist, Infinite Profit®

🎧 Episode Summary:

In this thought-provoking episode, Marcia Riner talks with Jon Bassford—TEDx speaker, bestselling author, and operations strategist—about how curiosity can be your company’s most overlooked competitive advantage. Jon unpacks how a curious mindset can fuel innovation, streamline systems, and help leaders build resilient, scalable organizations. If you’re a business owner or leader looking to improve operations without burning out your team or yourself, this episode is packed with strategies you don’t want to miss.


🔑 Key Takeaways:

  • Why curiosity is a superpower in leadership and operations

  • How to cultivate a “curious culture” in your organization

  • The connection between psychological safety and performance

  • Avoiding the most common operational roadblocks that kill growth

  • The role of experimentation and questioning in long-term success


⏱️ Timestamps & Highlights:

00:00 – Introduction
Marcia introduces the episode theme: scaling smarter through curiosity.

01:45 – What is Curious Leadership?
Jon explains how curiosity became the foundation of his leadership style and operational success.

05:12 – From Law to Leadership
Hear Jon’s unconventional journey from law school to startup operations.

08:30 – What Is Operational Excellence?
Jon defines operational excellence and its impact on growth, scale, and team alignment.

13:15 – Curiosity in Culture
Creating a workplace that encourages questions, experimentation, and team buy-in.

17:00 – Psychological Safety in Teams
Why leaders must create environments where teams feel safe enough to challenge, ask, and improve.

21:45 – Common Pitfalls in Operations
Jon outlines the biggest mistakes he sees leaders make—and how curiosity can solve them.

27:10 – A Case Study in Change
Jon shares a real-world story where a curiosity-first approach reshaped a company’s operations and outcomes.

33:40 – Rapid-Fire with Marcia
Lightning-round insights on systems, curiosity, and how to step into operational greatness.

36:00 – Final Advice for Entrepreneurs
Jon’s closing thoughts on being a curious leader and building sustainable success.


🔗 Connect with Jon Bassford:

📧 jon@think-lateral.com

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👤 About Marcia Riner

Marcia Riner is a business growth strategist who helps entrepreneurs scale smarter, increase profitability, and maximize business value. As CEO of Infinite Profit® and creator of the Profit Booster® strategies, she goes beyond advice—working alongside business owners to implement proven strategies that strengthen financial stability, optimize operations, and drive long-term success.

Whether you’re looking to boost profits, expand, or prepare for a high-value exit, Marcia delivers the expertise and hands-on support to make it happen. Learn more at InfiniteProfitConsulting.com.


Got questions?  Reach out to Marcia and her team at (949) 229-2112 ♾️

Photo of Marcia Riner Marcia Riner

Marcia Riner is the CEO of Trajectory Consulting LLC, speaker, author, podcast host and a powerful visionary.  She has been building wealth for businesses for years by focusing on the business as an asset and the power growing revenue. She comes from a…

Marcia Riner is the CEO of Trajectory Consulting LLC, speaker, author, podcast host and a powerful visionary.  She has been building wealth for businesses for years by focusing on the business as an asset and the power growing revenue. She comes from a family of business owners that had mistakenly lost value by not positioning themselves for an eventual sale.  Marcia brings years of business and financial experience with an outside the box style creativity to her clients that has exponentially grown their firms and positioned them for a maximum exit on their terms.